Satine: Woman Of Peace Or Pain In The Butt?

[lazypadawan]

Now that the Mandalore arc of CW episodes introducing Duchess Satine Kryze (a.k.a. Obi's ex) have aired, we have a fairly good idea of who she is as a character. She's certainly large and in-charge, one of the most self-possessed cartoon characters I have ever seen. She is principled and feels very strongly about her ideals. But are those ideals unrealistic and is she way too hard on those who don't share them?

The writers are smart enough to give Satine's pacifism-at-any-cost cover when Obi-Wan explains that some kind of civil war on Mandalore nearly killed off her people. You can understand why someone who believes her planet's violent culture nearly destroyed it (of course we have to take everyone's word for what happened) would be very, very adverse to violence of any kind. I can definitely understand why anyone, pacifist or not, would not want to be part of the Republic's tiff with the Separatists; I always say that Sidious's plans would have gone up in smoke had everyone just shrugged and told the Separatists to DLTDHYOTWO.

But as far as Satine is concerned, she is so determined to stick to her principles, I have to wonder if she would do anything at all to defend her planet. The Death Watch guys keep setting off bombs and trying to kill her, but what is she going to do about it? I can understand not wanting outsiders to interfere, but if I were a Mandalore citizen, she'd get a zero approval rating from me for homeland security. At one point during "Voyage of Temptation," she says that even extremists can be reasoned with. No, they can't. That's why they're extremists. In any case, I saw no attempt on her part to reason with Death Watch and they only want her deposed with extreme prejudice.

Now, Satine's occasionally self-righteous tone and speechifying on violence isn't so much motivated by ideology as it is motivated by her feelings about Obi-Wan. Why do I think so? I've noticed she only directs it at Obi-Wan. She never lectures Anakin about his violent ways, not even after he shish-kebabs that bad guy in "Voyage." I think she's mad at him for leaving her but still has some soft fuzzy feelings for him, which makes her even angrier.

In any case, Satine has additional cover from the fact we all know the Clone Wars are a means to an evil end. This is the second or third time pacifism has come up on the show (the only non-pacifist who seems suspicious of the Republic is that Twi'lek guy from Season One's Ryloth arc) but I've noticed that pacifism isn't brought up as a virtue in anything set during Episodes IV-VI. At least not that I can remember. What would have Satine done during the time of the Empire, or the Rebellion? I imagine she would have fought to keep Mandalore out of the Empire and failing that, out of the war with the Rebels. But Eps IV-VI make it clear that evil had to be stopped, even through violence if necessary. Not because the Alliance was full of crazy bloodthirsty Huns but because it was the only way to stop an aggressive enemy. If Mandalore's back was up against the wall, where the only alternative was slavery and oppression, what would she have done?

Comments

[attanagra.livejournal.com]

The question of "what do you do when someone actually wants nothing but to kill you?" is the real problem with pacifism at all costs. Taken to its logical end in an imperfect (and violent) galaxy, total pacifism is a suicide wish. Which is maybe fine for an individual. But I have to take issue with it in the ruler of a society, especially a society where there is clearly some philosophical dissent. Is Satine really going to stand by and watch Separatist tanks roll over Mandalorian children for the sake of her principles? And are Mandalorian parents going to let her? But then she has the excuse--as pacifists in the minority always do--that any bad consequences are the fault of all the people who interfered with her attempts at a peaceful solution. If they had just listened to her from the beginning, she could have talked the Separatists into converting their armies to nanny droids. . .

As to pacifism in the OT--I have seen it argued that Luke's decision to throw away his lightsaber during the duel in ROTJ was a conversion to pacifism. Given that he has his lightsaber back on his belt during the celebration later (and therefore must have gone to some effort to retrieve it before escaping the Death Star, despite everything else he was dealing with at the time) I think that reading of his decision is a little bizarre.

[lazypadawan.livejournal.com]

My perspective is that if you are charged by your people to protect them and you refuse to do so out of your own principles, you're worse than the enemy. You're putting your own moral vanity above the lives of your people.

Luke wasn't embracing pacifism, he was realizing that this was an instance where aggression wasn't going to work and was going to turn him to the Dark Side.